朱迪斯·格拉泽是美国作家、学者、企业主管和组织人类学家。她是位于波士顿的高管辅导和管理咨询公司Benchmark Communications, Inc.的创始人和首席执行官,也是The Creating WE Institute的董事长,并为多家知名财富500强公司提供咨询顾问服务。在她职业生涯中所服务过的客户包括伊卡璐、花旗银行、辉瑞制药、Burberry、美国航空公司和Verizon。
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Marshall Goldsmith:
You know you're an expert in conversational intelligence. One thing you brought up that I just love is the concept of asking questions.
When you don't have the answers yet and that sounds at one level obvious isn't that what we always do. But as I've talked to you about that or else no that's not what we always do in fact. Sometimes we seldom do that. Can you kind of elaborate that? And give our viewers some ideas.
众所周知,你是对话智商领域的专家。你提出的一个我很喜欢的概念就是提出问题。当你还没有答案的时候而这在某种程度上听起来很明显与我们经常做的事情背道而驰。但正如我所说的事实上并不是我们经常所选择做的事情。有时我们很少这样做。你能详细说明一下吗?并给我们的观众一些想法吗?
Judith Glaser:
Yeah so it turns out years ago 20 years ago I was in the UK working with an executive. And I was keeping track of the questions that he asked. That were leading questions. And the questions that he asked that had where he had no answers. There was zero on had no answers.
是的,所以事实证明,20年前我在英国与一位主管一起合作。我一直在记录他问的问题。这是个引导性问题。他所问的那些没有答案的问题。这并没有任何答案。
Marshall Goldsmith:
They were all leading questions.
他们都是引导性问题。
Judith Glaser:
And when I explained it to him, he had no idea that what he was doing. He really thought that he was helping someone by giving them you know the answers and so forth.
当我向他解释时,他不知道他在做什么。他真的认为他是在帮助别人,给他们提供答案等等。
So I made that a study and I'm still doing it. Because 99% of the people really have difficulty asking questions where they don't have answers. Because then they get kind of anxiety like I should have known it. They go into their head. People would have expected me to say that and know it. And now I don't and I might look stupid. So that's the tape that they play in their mind.
所以我把它作为一项研究,现在我还在继续。因为99%的人都很难提出没有答案的问题。因为这样他们会有一种焦虑,就像我应该知道它一样。这种感觉自然而然的就进入了他们的大脑。人们会期望我这样说,并且知道它。现在我不知道,那我可能看起来很愚蠢。这就是那盘在他们脑海中循环播放的磁带。
But when we ask questions for which we don't have answers what it does to another human being. Is it actually opens up a conversation with them enables them to think in new ways. Because you're not asking. You're setting up a question without an obvious answer. You don't know. You're not pushing them into it right. And the conversation that ensues is what I call a level three conversation.
但当我们提出我们没有答案的问题时它对另一个人的作用。是它实际上开启了与他们的对话,使他们能够以新的方式思考。因为你并不是发问,你是在设置一个没有明显答案的问题。你不知道。你没有把他们推到正确的位置上。随之而来的对话就是我所说的第三级对话。
It goes deeper. Both people start to connect on discovery. So it takes them into what I call sharon discover mode, which actually changes their chemistry so they bond in better ways and they look forward. And that open space of I don't have the answer changes to oh my god what are we going to learn together.
他会更加深入。两个人开始在发现上建立联系。所以它使他们进入了我称之为 "沙龙发现模式",这实际上改变了他们的化学反应,因此他们以更好的方式结合在一起,他们向前看。那种我没有答案的开放空间变成了“我的上帝,我们要一起学习什么”。
Marshall Goldsmith:
You know this is a fantastic example. The greatest example I can think of in my own coaching experiences my good friend Alan milady who is a co forward. When he first went to ford there were under tough times. And Alan rather than providing an answer said I don't have a solution either, I don't have the answer,why don't we work together and ask a lot of other people to help us solve this problem where we don't have the answer?
你知道这是一个奇妙的例子。我能想到的最大的例子在我的教练生涯中就是我最好的朋友艾伦·穆拉迪。他第一次去福特公司时,那里正处于艰难时期。而艾伦并不是提供了一个答案,而是说我也不知道解决方案是什么,也不知道答案是什么,那我们为什么不一起努力去寻求更多的人来帮助我们解决这个我们也不知道答案的问题呢?
Now let me give you my definition of brilliant. Brilliant is when somebody does something, it seems obvious in hindsight, but you've never seen it before. This to me what you've just said is brilliant as a leader getting up there and asking a question. When you don't have the answer and if the other person doesn't have the answer making it okay.
现在让我告诉你我对辉煌的定义。辉煌是指某人做了一件事,事后看来很明显,但你以前从未见过。对我来说,你刚才说的是很好的,作为一个领导者站出来并提出一个问题。当你没有答案的时候,如果对方也没有答案,那么就不要紧。
Yeah. Say why don't we work together and solve the problem. Alan's feeling wasn't about 10min after they had a dialogue, the problem got solved. Once I get over that egotistical macho I have to know everything nonsense and said we're both human beings, there is a problem. I don't know it you don't know it it's okay. Let's work together and find the answer. That is a fantastic concept thank you you're welcome
是的。说我们为什么不合作,然后解决这个问题。艾伦的感觉并不是在他们对话后10分钟,问题就解决了。一旦我克服了这种自负的大男子主义,我就必须知道一切都是胡说八道,我们都是人,还有一个问题。我不知道,你也不知道,没关系的。让我们一起合作去寻找答案。这是一个非常好的概念。